electrolysis update, (Simran)

maybe try some Tend Skin for those pimples that have a hair trapped under them.

also, if the long hairs reeeeeeally bother you, maybe cut them down with a small scissor? she wouldn’t be able to tell as easily which hairs were old or new anymore, but at least then those hairs wouldn’t bother you.

it can be hard until you get to that first full clearance, especially when you have to skip a week. but you’re on the way there. just hang in! i think it took me more than two months of weekly appointments to get to full clearance of my upper lip, it was that bad! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

what is tend skin and where can i get it…
my skin is luking gross luks like i got heaps of pimples (but they are those bumps from electrolysis) some still red bumps its been 3 days kinda still sore to touch some places on the side plus i have heaps of scabs?..could this be cause i lowered my water intake or she made the electrolysis higher energy

Info on Tend Skin:
http://www.hairfacts.com/makers/topical/tendskin.html

People have also discussed it on here a lot–just do a search and you’ll find tons of posts about it. It really helps with ingrowns and redness. Just don’t use it if you’re allergic to aspirin.

I bought mine at a local beauty salon that does waxing, but there are zillions of sites online that sell it too, including Amazon.

The scabs could be from the higher energy level, I think. If they’re too embarrassing, try a medicated coverup/concealer. Neutrogena makes one, so does Clean & Clear, Clinique, there are various brands. There’s also Dermablend, which is designed to cover up very dark discoloration.

hth,
susie

just an update i still have the scabs from last week. i went in for another 1 hour appointment today and made an attempt to get their early so i could have had full proper one houur but as it happend my electrologist was running late with someother client so that cut my time down to 30 mins so i had only 30 minutes done <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

anyway next week gona tell her to either do full one hour and if theres not much hair save the half n hour for next week but il pay for hour lol costs me much cheaper that way.

so yea she said so herself i luked bit doty(the scabs) and said i got sensitive skin and she doesnt wana scar me sso will have to be carefull with me and plus i asked her if setting was higher and she said yea.

so anyway hhad 30 mins done (left side, right, upper lip and forehead)

oh n she mentioned that shez thinking of buying the IPL machine lol saying it also can be used for other skin benefits treating pigementation etc and shes going for a tutorial today the lady whos selling it gona show her how to work it thats so slack man is that all the expereince laser techs get <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />… anyway she can get the laser as long as she dont use it on me <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

laterz everyone

Hi Simran:

  I occasionally get red spots but use a lot of aftercare for the first few days, especially overnight.

Laser is not all bad. I started on laser for my face and then switched to electrolysis after 9-10 treatments. My laser tech is also my electrolygist, and a lot of them are doing that. Laser is good for body hair reduction. They can cover a large area quickly. Facial hair is tougher to conquer with laser, and total eradication is what I am aiming for there so I am doing electrolysis.

You are right that 1 hour is cheaper. I get 2 hours at a time. Me and my electrolygist just chat away while she works.

Alicia

shes going for a tutorial today the lady whos selling it gona show her how to work it thats so slack man is that all the expereince laser techs get … anyway she can get the laser as long as she dont use it on me

Funny enough, while many Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation people want to tell you how under educated electrologists are, most of them must rely upon what ever training they have had from cosmetology electrolysis, or nursing to say that they have any substantial training at all. Most get only a day, weekend or at most 4 week course before firing up their wave motion guns on the public. Even the 4 week classes are heavy on the dermatology.

Scabs for a week sounds like a long time. Alicia is right, you need to be super careful with your aftercare. Also, if your skin is sensitive, find out if your electro is using gold probes. My skin is also super sensitive and the gold probes really tone down my skin’s reaction.

Many people are sensitive to the nickel in the steel probes. The Gold probes don’t have this problem. I would go so far as to say that i fyou have a problem with your ears turning green with cheap jewelry, make sure that your electrologist always uses gold probes – Even if you have to buy them for her!

i dint think my skin was sensitive but when i went in for consulation told her i wanted a gold probe as a wanted to minimize any sort of reaction if any so yea she got them in for me even though she only uses silver for the rest of her clients.

so i am bascially the one that she uses the gold prob on but yesterday i noticed after she finished doing my electro i saw and heard her opening that bag that has my gold probe,
so that got me thinking i mean i thought she threw the probe away after treating me but i got second thoughts now that maybe she keeps them and uses the same one again as im the only client those probes are used for <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> its hard to say that if she DID put the used probe back in the bag as i was lieing down but i did hear her opening that same bag…is this a bad thing even though m the only client that the needle is used on? i mean maybe thats why the scabs?..but i dont no cause these scabs they are the first time iv had them for so long.
but i mean should i ask her bout the probes next time if she disposes them after using? i just hope she doesnt mind yea <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

We are supposed to be able to trust our electrologist to use sanitary practices, in the same way that we have to trust the workers at the local dinner to make and serve our food in a way that won’t get us sick.

I will restrain myself to say nothing more than, “Yes, it would be a bad thing if she is reusing your gold probes on you without proper resterilization. Furthermore, If she is using Ballet Gold Probes, they are not made to be resterilized, and you would in fact be getting poor treatment with a reused probe, as it would start to break down after the first use, and the nickel at the core of the probe would start to flake into your follicles during treatment, in addition to the probe scratching the side of your follicles as she attempts to slide it in with a blunt, broken or flaked off point.” I would start by calling her on the phone to ask what type of probes she is using on you, so you know ahead of time if they are manufactured to be disposeable, or if they are designated reusable. (Of course, I don’t know of any gold probes designated reusable by the company that makes them. CTI’s could be reused if properly resterilized, but the company doesn’t make that claim. Ballet is definately NOT a reusable probe, and neither is Sterex Furthermore, neither company would suggest that anyone do anything but dispose of them after one treatment.)

Watch her insert the probe into the probe holder when you go. If she has the thing preloaded when you come in, ask her kindly to insert a new probe for you to see, as you missed seeing her do that. She should open a previously sealed blister pack that can’t be resealed, and insert the probe.

At the end of treatment, she should be putting that probe into the sharps container. Unless she is using reusable probes, that she resterilzes prior to new use (in which case she would be putting them in a solution to soak them after use, in aticipation of putting them in a sonic cleaner, followed by processing in an autoclave) she should be throwing the thing away as soon as she is done with you.

I think I did a good job of restraining myself.

Lets just say that putting a disposeable probe in a bag, letting it sit for a week or more, and reusing it on someone is like you going to a restaurant, and the waiter coming to your table, and asking you to lick off your spoon real good, so he can put it into a plastic bag and hold it in there until you come back to the restaurant to eat off of it again without it ever being properly sanitized.

Do you understand what I am holding back here? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

i do get what ur saying, and ok well i dint see her put in a probe as she was late so she told her staff member to take me in the room and prepare everything until she comes in so yea i saw the staff member take out a bag which had all the gold probes in it, it was one of those plastic bags that snap together n make this sorta click sound upon sealing it, but i dint pay attension to see if the probes within the bag itself were in a sealed pack that cant be sealed once opened.

and it is a scary thing after i read ur post to realise um if she may be reusing the probes <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
but like i said thing is after i was lying there at the end of treatment for her to do the roller thing on me i heard those snap it bags open, the same type that that containned my probes(from the sound those snap bags make upon closing and opening) but like i said since i dint see i dont no if it was a different snap sealed bag.

but il be sure to ask her again on my next treatment about what type of probe she uses, if they are disposable probes and what do they do with probes in general after using em on clients il talk round it saying im curious in general as i doubt it would be possible to throw needles in rubbish
oh n il be sure to see what she does with my probe after treatment

i got this from my old post on page 1 as i remeber asking her the first time i went in about the probe and this is what she had said then

gold F2 needle

does that ring a bell James? or shall i be asking her about brand or something?

The gold part sounds good, but an F2 probe sounds too small if the hairs being treated are medium or coarse hairs. F 2 probes are the smallest diameter probes one can buy. I rarely use them but if I do, it is for the very tiny hairs on the middle upper lip. A small probe is hot probe and one has to be careful with the intensity setting. I’m assuming that your hairs are not the teeny tiny variety???

thank you for your prompt and quick replies everyone <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

i have mostly fine hairs on upper lip forehead area…i dint realise that plucking made it worse since i stoped 3 months ago m noticing now the damage done.
anyway on side of cheek area(sideburn)i think i have fine hairs there too but they were kinda of long before i started electrolysis (when i dint touch the area at all for about 3 months) i sent James a pic initially before i started electro to get opinion, James do you think from that pic shown that F2 needle would be good?

anyway i had another treatment this week, damn the busses as i was about 15-20 mins late and i wanted a full hour done <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> as im going somewhere this weekend and wanted a good clearence oh well in the time that i had left she did a pretty good job of kinda clearing the sides especially the right side my left side was gappy this week, the right side tends to be worse.

so yea this week i went in paid particular attension to what she did to probes, i saw her take one out, new one from a sealed packet and she also mentioned to me without me even saying anything that she had to get in a new supply of gold probes for me as she running out, but later during the treatment i asked her what she did with the old probes she showed me a container with the used probes inside and told me that they be disposed so yea that is like a huge weight of lol got paranoid for nothing last week.

so yea this week i had got done both sides and about 3-4 hairs between eyebrow and that was it,in the end she did the roller thing and applied cream same as usual,

she did mention to me that my left side looked more gappy and even the right side even though its worser then the left she said that its still easier to work with and see the hairs cause of having gaps and having clear skin <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

but then again i shudnt be getting too happy to soon assuming that hairs wont be popping up in those gaps as im still having my first clearence done, i know this cause theres some still old hairs growing on my right side especially from the first time i started electrolysis which she hasnt touched cause they are old and i started electro like 11 weeks ago, so i know i have quite a long slow growth cycle so therefore i may have hairs popping up in those gaps after 2-3 months depending on how good a job my electrologist did!

but james hey i sent u a email quite a while ago about pics where i was concerned about scars still havnt got any input on that not that i can see those scars anymore <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> but in that mail i asked you about something you said to me when i asked for your opinion on my electrolysis treatment the very first time before i started, you said/gave estimate that ‘it would take about 7 hours of treatment’

m wondering if that estimate was for first clearence or total amount of electrolysis needed altogether and having no grow ever again ??? please clarify <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

oh and i forgot to mention near the lower side near jawline area kinda she mentioned i have hairs growing in a circle kinda so has to move round to treat them and she mentioned a couple of times i have hair growing in different angles where she had to move again to treat and from what i remeber it was the same area, tends to hapen on the sides <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

just an update since last treatment iv had 2 more treatments about one round 40 minutes and the one today at 30 minutes…everything being the same.

however m thinking of maybe going to another electrologist even though i like this one and she used up to date equipement etc however its really pissing me off now that even though i make sure and go early so that i can have a full 1 hour treated, m only been geting done 30 minutes most times…and that 30 minutes includes, side, chin, lip, forehead…so you can see m hardly geting any good cleareance on any one area at a time its all over the place…

and like today i told her i wanted to get the lip cleared as i usually tel her and even told her ( i dont mind if you do the old hairs that she keeps saying they are n not treating them)…as i want to get the area cleared but she dint do it she did about 5 minutes in total on the lip doing abit on the corner side and she plucked out about 5-10 on one side saying no point in treating them with electrolysis <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

so then i mentioned to her what about in top middle part are they all old hairs or what?..and she was like yea and its really hard to tell on lip whihc one is old which one is new so i shud consider shaving/trimming with scisor or bleaching/hair cream/ on the area…and then said il eventually move to the middle part after the corner bits a done…
well hello women i wudnt need to do any of the shaving etc if she just cleared out all the hairs.

and another thing that pisses me off now is she doesnt use her glass anymore those m agnifying ones so most of the fineer hairs are always left and i know for a fact they were new! if she keeps picking stuff out and leaving the rest shez bound to miss out the growing ones most of the time as well as not using the glasses she does miss out the finer ones!

so yea m really pissed of now i mean what is her problem after all m willing to pay for the hour of electrolysis!!!

i think may she thinks charging me for 30 minutes shel get more as the 60 minutes is slightly cheaper.
but then again i been nice so far i no she charges me a dollar extra even on those 30 minutes which is not the rate stated on her pamphlet and i m definatly gona mention this to her next time
and m gona try one last time and tell her that from now i id prefer if she treats all the hairs she sees rather then picking what she thinks are ‘new’! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> as well as definatly mention that she wear her glasses

i mean its been over 3 months and iv still not had a first full cleareance of any one area <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

godd how i wish i had some one like James or Dee treating me, maybe my electrologist is plain lazy as most of her clients only come in for 10-15 minutes only

so yea James or Dee if your eva visiting in my country plz plz inform me <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Dearest Simran:

Since you are in violation of James’ pet peeve, no location filled out in your profile, I don’t know if I am typing this note to you from down the street from you as I speak. Please go to your profile, now that you have found that we did not sell your email address to Vector/Global or anyone else for that matter, and flesh it out some. At a minimum all profiles should have a location filled in that gives city, state and country where needed. (Arrogant Americans assume that everyone knows that Albuquerque New Mexico is in the USA)

In return for this courtesy, I will promise to let you know if and when I am in fact near enough to you to do lunch. Deal? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> After all, I am traveling all the time, and there are many associations, and clients who talk to me about visiting their far off locations. Anything is possible. I will be returning to Hawaii this December for an extended stay and if you were in the part of Hawaii I will be in, we could visit with each other for many hours during that time. So that is all I am going to say. People, please put locations in your profiles. You don’t know the level of help you may be missing out on, if you don’t.

Now on the other issue. I don’t know your electrologist, and I don’t know why she is doing what she is doing. I can’t even say that what she is doing is wrong, as I know nothing about what treating you is like, or what equipment she is using and so on. I can tell you, however that I have seen, and heard some things that I did find disturbing in my profession.

There is the story of the practitioners who learned that using larger sized probes lead to faster completion times, and therefore only use smaller sizes. The ones who learned that once you get to first clearance it is all down hill from there, because there is less hair in the first place, and all of it is in growth phase, so they don’t pursue high level first clearances, and then there was a moment that made everyone in the room blush for the profession at a trade seminar.

I was part of a seminar with electrologists from around the world as the features and benefits of a new machine was being demonstrated, and enumerated. It was explained that the machine would track and save treatment settings and areas worked on, download this information to your computer, and generate billing for the appointments.

When it was explained that one could set a hard minimum treatment fee so that treatments under a given time limit would not be billed at less than your minimum rate on the machine, someone raised a hand and asked the question that left the entire room aghast, and the speaker thinking, “Either I don’t understand the question, or surely this is a joke” <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

The speaker was asked if it was possible to set the machine so that it would bill the minimum rate, as if a new appointment was started, every time one changed the setting to a different body part! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

Now let me point out, there is a reason electrologists have minimum treatment price points. We only have our time to sell, and unless one has a staff, one spends more than 7 minutes on a 7 minute appointment. Of course, if one has a staff, one has even higher expenses, and so you need to have a minimum treatment price even more than a sole practitioner does. However, what this person was asking was to be able to set the machine so that if one spent 5 minutes on the lip, it would charge the $20 minimum, and then would again charge a $20 minimum when one switched to the breast setting to do the 20 hairs on the nipples, and again charge $20 when we move to the chin, and once again hit the client’s ticket for the $20 minimum for those wild eyebrows.

I have met some greedy people in my life, but it went straight to my top ten, when I heard someone spend 10 to 15 minutes discussing the desire to find a way to make the machine tell a client that $80 was due for what could amount to less than a 20 minute treatment, using the excuse that there were so many different areas involved, and it is not me, it is the machine that does this automatically. The corporate representative finally ended the discussion by saying, “Who would want that? I think you will just have to take the machine’s breakdown of area, hairs removed, and time spent in each area to make your own separate bill, via the computer link.” <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

Of course, I could just be the fool selling myself short, grossly underbilling my clients.

James,
Clients are not stupid. We hate our hair, but we hate to waste our hard-earned money even more. Only the greedy electrologist loses in that scenario.

Simran,
I don’t know what your electrologist is doing, but if you are booking 60 minute appointments and have enough hair to fill up that time, then your electrologist isn’t helping you reach your goal. You must tell her, and if she doesn’t understand your frustration to reach first clearance asap, then you should find someone else.

thank you for your input vespa susie and james

thats the thing i can clearly see the hairs…however what she tells me at the end of my so called 30 minute treatment is that we did good today and cleared out everything…however i can still see the hairs when i come back home and check…

her so called strategy is il only treat the new hairs(ones with black bulbs) the ones i dont treat are the ones that are old hairs(white bulbs)…she says shez saving up time wasted on doing hairs that are gona fall out anyway which saves my money too

however i dont like the picking what to treat from the bunch anymore as im tired of coming back from treatment and seeing bits left m no expert but they got to be newer hairs if they short and in a week more longer.
as wel as she did a bleach on my forehead area and under chin neck area( not that i had much to begin with under chin) anyway if i can see black ones out from the blond surely she can too…
not to mention the finer hairs which im geting more consious about now which i hav not seen her treat at all

i just want her to treat everything she can see not picking what she thinks are new only if she did that it will surely be an hour if not more…so yea next week m gona tell her that to treat everything

thing is everytime iv mentioned that about the upper lip area that i wanted it cleared she does the ones she thinks are new and aa number of times just plucked out a few saying they are old (i dont pay her to pluck, i can do that myself of course) then says there that luks more tidy now however when i come back home sure a small gap area from the corner is cleared (which includes some electro plus plucking) but nothings being done to the upper lip part which is very disapointing.

wen i first started she told me about her arm something being wrong with it having to go physio and she cant overdo much at a time and i understood that and even though i always book in for the hour i get 40-30 minutes done…however 3 months down she dosent even go to physio anymore and if she can start electrolysis staright away on the next client after me, going for a full hour with me shouldnt be a problem, all it would take is another xtra 20 minutes <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

m just concerned that all this picking stuff out shez leaving the ones that may be in growing phase and due to it il have a longer time period spent doing electrolysis then maybe be required for my case. i want to do everything properly as this is my last attempt of getting out of this mess i already had that dispointing experience with laser dont want this to be another one

it just seems such a headache having to go through the process of finding a good electrologist again all over cause she cant do an hour like i want and overall im satisfied with the treatment in terms of less scabs no scars yet and her machine where you set a setting and go away with it rather then those foot ones where you have to adjuust current for doing blend. i think i mentioned on the first page the machine she uses was silhoute something or whateva <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

all the ones that i looked into before i found her was they did blend as well however all had the foot ones where you had to adjust currents

m sorry everyone for going on n on

i totally understand how you feel simran. when i came back from my last treatment. i was so excited that she didnt do any work on my side burns becuase i THOUGHT there was no work to do. when i got home, there was clear visible hair to treat! i even posted it on my thread saying yay no hair because she didnt treat anything there but when i got home there was clearly some work to be done. anyway. i get the same feeling that my electrologist treats what she likes and not what i like. the same time sh ewas treating me she was on the phone with her son. i mean it doesnt bother me, but i think she goes slower and lost tract of what she was working on on my face. we went over our 15 mins and i was charged for the extra time. also my nipples had clear long black hairs and i wondered why she didnt treat them. she spent like 5 mins on them. anyway, i keep telling myself next tratment she’ll get what was missed. but i cant help wondering there are people out there like james and fino who are super attentive to getting every hair and making sure the client is left with a clear, smooth skin. ah well. we’ll see what happens.

good luck hun!