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#16

I didn’t suggest anything because that is out of my realm of expertise. Michael listed possibilities and I trust what he suggested.

I actually agree with what your electrologist said and I am thinking about that yogurt remedy?

Can you tell me about your healing reaction? Large scabs? Prolonged redness and swelling that lasted over a week? Did you pick off or rub off any scabs? Aftercare? What did you use and for how long. How many hours of treatment spread out over what period of time.

When we first see people, they present with hyperpigmentation and imperfect skin. Do you have a before picture, with hair that you can show us. Sorry, I may have missed that if you already talked about it, dupius.

#17

I also recommend skin needling. It’s much less likely to cause hyperpigmentation than laser is, and it’s one of if not the only treatment currently available that goes deep enough to reach the dermis and remodel skin. It’s also affordable and has little downtime. I have some skin wrinkling and pitting around my mouth from overly aggressive megasessions of thermolysis, and I’ll be starting skin needling treatments myself next month.

#18

Actually, after applying tea tree oil/aloe vera the pustules went away within 3-5 days.

No scabs that I can remember, the redness and swelling went away the next day or two.

If I remember correctly I used a mixture of tea tree and aloe for around a week until everything was looking relatively normal… Didn’t go outside…

I did 2 hours of treatment, including chin… So, maybe an hour?
If yuo mean of total electrolysis on lip, I would like to say, 10 hours? No idea, was not something I really kept track of, unfortunately.

I typically had a visible improvement after each treatment, and it was the only time that my skin reacted as it did, with tiny little holes/marks left afterwards.

I know my skin, and look at it everyday, so I know that the current state of my u-lip is from this particular treatment. I believe I had one small small mark at the very centre of my u-lip, but nothing like this.

Before pictures or not…

But I do have photos. It is just I am away at school, and it seems as though it is on my computer at home.

#19

I simply did not say anything because I am not one for conflict, and after the initial contact with this particular electrologist re my concerns, I decided to wait it out to give my skin time to heal and improve… Especially since this electrologist is well respected and it is headache enough being in this position, but having people doubt your claims because of the electrologist you are “blaming”/ holding responsible would just be too much.

So, I have no real intention of trying to get them to help pay for any treatments or products; call me afraid.

#20

There is nobody on this board (myself included) that can give you the answers you are seeking. You need to have a qualified professional look at you (in person), evaluate the situation and offer or perform a procedure if that’s your decision.

Dee said, “I didn’t suggest anything because that is out of my realm of expertise.”

She’s right. The answers you seek are out of all of our “reaches.” I think a few posts have pointed you in the right direction, but that’s about all of us can legitimately do.

#21

I wholeheartedly agree.
It was just that your post read, "Dee has given some good overall suggestions and explained how she works. "

I did not see any suggestions in her post, so I was just inquiring as to whether or not there was something I was missing.

I have already made 4 appointments in a large city nearby to where I study to have my case looked at.

I was seeking of course, the initial right direction to go in, to just solidify the fact that there is damage and I am not simply completely vain and seeing things that are not there, but most importantly, I wanted to show people that even with the most professional electrologist, mistakes happen, and things can go wrong.

Just as a warning, and a visual so people seeking to begin electrolysis treatments will do their due diligence, and also know that, no matter what, there are risks involved, so if you have “standard female facial hair” whatever that means to you as an individual, you should just leave well enough alone.

A lot of us think we have more hair than normal, when in fact most females have facial hair.

Make a day of it and look closely at every female you speak to, and you will find many have a nice natural “mustache” or “beard”.

Sometimes we are simply to hard on ourselves.

Thanks again!

#22

“Sometimes we are simply to hard on ourselves.” Very true.

Are you still in the UK? I may be able to make a suggestion of someone you may want to consider visiting for professional advice and treatments. PM me.

#23

Thank you depuis for your reply. That kind of feedback is so important for all to know. I am a person that likes detail no matter how small, no matter what the subject. I certainly believe you about your skin looking different from when you started, but I love pictures, too. That takes the detail part up to another level of learning :). My photo library is scattered, too, so I understand what you are saying.

Did you say what method you are using to control the hair at the present time?

Good wishes to you and all the best.

#24

I’ll echo what I’ve said before about people’s natural tendency to be defensive about their area of expertise (and our innate trust in anyone wearing scrubs or a lab coat - see sociological dramaturgy, goffman) and me not wanting to be a pain in the rear to my clinicians (yes, maybe blaming myself first as the non-professional).
It takes courage and understanding on the part of the client and humility and patience on the part of the professional. I was happy when my Pro told me to tell her if I ever felt pulling. However, when I got up the courage to say that in one session I may have felt a few pulls she quickly retorted “no you didn’t, I was just cleaning out gunk in your pores!”

Active listening lesson for all of us in life: acknowledge the person and their right to be concerned, even if you go on to debunk the concern itself. We all seek validation.

#25

Do you would think the same if instead of this bad experience, all unwanted hairs have gone and your skin was in perfect condition?
I do not know what you understand by being “a professional electrologist”, but let me tell you how it is for me. A professional electrologist is one who is able to recognize her/his own limitations.
If that had been the case, you would have continued to look for someone more experienced in this type of hair, and perhaps today your concept of electrolysis (and how it should be a professional electrologist) would be very different.

#26

I would. In fact, after touching the hairs, I felt as though I should have just left it as I started quite young and thought many things were issues when they were not.

But, tbf, I will likely complete my u lip treatments later on this year after I muster up some courage!

I’m absolutely for electrolysis.

Still go for electrolysis with good results.

You know what, my definition of a professional electrogist is someone who is experienced, knowledgeable about the profession and advancements, some years experience, and fairly quick without me feeling things I shouldn’t.

I am really not trying to put anyone on blast, or start anything, as I am not even upset in that type of way.

Post is for those thinking of embarking on the long expensive journey that is electrolysis.

If what had been the case?

I traveled to another country and spent a lot for the hourly treatment, as well as transportation.

My choice in electrologist was very deliberate and was not made out of convenience or because it was the most economical choice.

It was far from my home and expensive. I spare no expense when it comes to things of this sort. SO.

I chose an electrologist who I, as well as many others, perhaps even including yourself, do feel is experienced, but simply messed up with me. Humans make mistakes. Full stop. Period. Experienced or not.

#27

Depuis,

i fully agree, anyone can make a mistake. There’s been once or twice I have screwed up I’m sure, thankfully my body is nice to me and I havent had scarring . All in all I’m ppretty happy with my progress.

Since I think you were in ottawa when you had treatment, I’m wondering why you did go where you did. There’s a couple really good electrologists in town but obviously, you had your reasons for your choice.

Seana

#28

No, It was in the states. Bit closer than Ottawa.

I went because I was tired of slow ish electrologists and this person is speedy, and highly respected and trusted on the forums.

Yah, rita malina and her mum are pretty good. 70 an hour, and fast too.

Liked their bedside manner, and their office is actually clean.
Was surprised at a couple electrologist’s reception and treatment rooms. They don’t chat that much during treatment, so you don’t have to awkwardly try and squeeze out some words without them losing their place, or have them pausing to chat while you’re paying more than 1 dollar a minute.

I’ve seen some things, lol!

#29

“Highly respected and trusted on the forums” is not a sufficient guarantee.
You should not jump into the water without testing it first.

What’s wrong undergo a little test to see what your electrologist is able to achieve?

#30

Since I keep getting people asking me if I am the person you are complaining about, I am posting here to say that while I am unaware of any complaint you might have with any work we did together, if I am the person you are unhappy with, just say so. I honestly had no knowledge of having ever met you until finding your previous posts stating that we had. While your previous posts here on the forum and previous conversations with me said our work went fine, some people seem to think you are hinting at not wanting to say my name for some reason.

If the following quotes are somehow not your current point of view of the work we have done, just say so.

If those quotes are still your point of view, then why not talk to the person whose work you are displeased with.

#31

I don’t think Fraxel can help ice-pick scarring at all. That level of resurfacing would require something like a CO2 laser - which is irrelevant here since the OP is a type IV-V. It’s not feasible to go for that level of tx, because she’ll be left with discoloration and more scarring.

Perhaps a punch excision or TCA CROSS, but both would also make things worse IMO.

Just count your losses and move on. (PS, I know that can be hard to do)

I believe the OP when she says the ice-pick scarring came after electrolysis. Too often the response to these queries is ‘are you sure it wasn’t just acne?’ - which is a reasonable question in and of itself.

I agree with Michael: own your mistakes. Whether you’re a client or an electrologist.

#32

I would happily own up to anything, but it is hard to take responsibility for something when all is well until months later someone wants to say this is your fault.

It really is part of the reason many practitioners won’t take clients who have done work with other people.

I have had people come in with skin scarred and blackened from really bad work. My work over the area was just fine, however, if one of these people took pictures of the treated areas, and said this is what her skin looked like 3 days later, it would be technically true, although I would not have been the reason why the weeks prior damage got there in the first place.

#33

Thanks LDLD.

However, what I’m actually stating (or should have made more clear) is that people with skin damage should consult with the proper medical expert. There is not a single “expert electrologist” or “expert client” writing on Hairtell that can, or should, be attempting to recommend medical treatments to alleviate or correct skin damage.

As you all know, I typically recommend a “plastic & reconstructive” surgeon. Dermatologist? Certainly.

Not that surgery is necessarily what needs to be done, but physicians whose entire career deals with the skin have a depth of understanding that none of us has. Over the years I have recommended many “remedies.” But when I discuss my ideas with Dr. “C” … he often says, “My Lord Michael, what are you thinking? This is nonsense!”

Having been “slapped in the kisser” for decades, I’m pretty careful with my post-injury recommendations!

#34

It is hard to know who did what when there are several electrologists working on the same client. That is a true statement, not an opinion.

I would still like to see the before pictures. That’s just the “scientist” talking within me.

#35

Well, I noticed issue from the first month, allowed time to heal.

I made contact 3 months after my initial observations and fears…
Said it was normal. Then left it at that and waited over a year for my skin to heal.

My main thing is you can see very single hole where the needle was inserted and the corners of my mouth have wrinkles.

So all was not well until months later.

I think it is because that is the most electrolysis I had ever had done on my upper lip and it just cuol dnot handle it as the reaction was out of the ordinary for me from day 2.

Yahh, I went to 2 consultations and it was a bit strange 'cause I didn’t know what exactly to ask for or what I needed from them… One reccomended I do nothing and the other a simple peel. So I am making it my first task to find out the best possible procedure/treatment and then ask around for clinics that offer that.