it is entirely possible to have an uncomfortable treatment with the 27.12 mhz epilators by all the usual way, too small a probe, too high a current level, insufficient moisture in the follicle.Having tried the Xcell at Dectro, and working everyday with a pure, I can definitively say it is not “foolproof” though in general treatments are “more comfortable” that doesnt make them completely pain free. Thus the lidocaine used.
Dee, I know you love your Xcell, but after experiencing prior versions of client management on my SM-500, I would not even CONSIDER the pro version. It’s entirely possible to get an insertion count on the pure ( actually treatment count, which is good to keep in mind if more than one pulse of treatment energy is used per insertion). I like to keep my billing, timekeeping and other matters seperate from my epilator. To be honest, the few times I did use client management, it was so clunky and awkward to save a file name that the only way to get out of input was to turn the machine off! If I had to do that for every client, their treatment time would be over before I even got their name programmed in!
Painless electrolysis treatments is a fantasy that can’t be achieved, well yes only if you under-treat. Killing hair requires tissue damage through high heat and that will always cause pain.
Companies can claim more comfort than other epilators on the market but painless is just misleading. I had treatments with 13 mhz and 27mhz epilators. 27mhz with Laurier insulated probe is still painful especially in very sensitive spots, but when you start to compare the sensation to 13mhz with non insulated probe then you can tell apart pain tolerances and comfort.
With 27mh and insulated probes, you increase length and endurance of treatments but painless it is not!
My own "take’ is that the Dectro units (and others) that have software-controlled currents may be more comfortable because of how the current(s) are delivered to the "victim.’ I think Dectro would be better-served stating that aspect in their advertising, rather than the frequency story.
I’ve had many conversations with engineers and one physicist who worked on the gigantic "atom smasher’ in Bern, Switzerland … and I’m convinced. However, touting "frequency’ is probably a much easier explanation for advertising?
After WWII when frequencies were mandated, all the manufacturers experimented with all the (legal) frequencies … and the 27 megahertz units were made as early as 1948. (Hinkel preferred 1.8 megahertz for a number of reasons … but that’s another deal.)
Still, Hinkel in his blunt “Trump-style” would say, "A painless treatment is a worthless treatment!’ Besides, "the most ‘painless’ epilator in the world’ is the one used by each electrologist, and it doesn’t matter what modality, technique or frequency is being used. IT’S PURE MAGIC! Everybody has "the best one!’ Funny how that is?
For me, I hate all electrolysis units. They feel like a bee on meth.
Other experiments … using the currents to minimize pain.
Back in the 1990s Romano (CTI Netherlands) superimposed T.E.N.S. current with his electrolysis units. The delivered sensation worked pretty well to mask the HF and DC affects; however, the sensation from the TENS current was disturbing … maybe even worse than the electrology currents. The experiment didn’t pan out, but it was an interesting attempt.
Just because an official Apilus distributor in Spain said that about the xCell Pro (not being painful) doesn’t make it true!
Here is the reality:
The pain of having too much hair is far more of an issue than any physical pain to remove that hair permanently.
When new clients ask me if electrolysis is painful, I say that sensation / pain issues are subjective. Most people say that some hairs hurt and some don’t. Some areas are stingier than others. There are so many variables, that it isn’t possible to say how it will feel for one particular individual. Even a particular individual may find it totally comfortable on one day and too ouchy on another. You just have to go through it and decide if you will stick to it.
It is not painless, but in many cases, when insertions are perfect and energy levels are correct, it is down right very tolerable and fast, with the right practitioner. Probe choice matters as well. For the xCell, if a client says it feels ouchy, I have noticed that changing from one brand of probe to another makes a difference. The Pro-Tec probes are calibrated for the Apilus products and they seem to offer a touch more comfort. If it is an insulated probe, you need to bring down the energy level. That brings “comfort / tolerance” to the client.
I had a Sil-Tone VMC (13.56 megahertz) and that was a very smooth operating epilator. Very comfortable, indeed! They don’t make this unit anymore.
Another observation: Clients who have had electrolysis with someone else years ago or in the recent past, will come to me and say they can only stand 15 minutes of electrolysis, to which I say, “Yup”. After 15 minutes is up, they ask if I can continue because it doesn’t feel as bad as they thought it would. That tells me that my process and yes the equipment must be doing something really good.
I rarely need to use lidocaine creams and nobody needs injections to get them through a session (unless it is genital work, for some people). Again, I have to blame the equipment for helping me out on that one. That doesn’t equate to electrolysis being painless. It does equate to being tolerable for hours, if they so choose to do longer sessions. I must give credit to having excellent vision aids, too. If the insertions are off target because one can’t see, then one is inclined to turn up the juice and THAT HURTS!
Lastly, there are some people that are extremely sensitive to ANY type of discomfort. Those people are real challenges. They have to be worked with and reassured. Pinching the skin is extremely helpful for these people, along with other techniques. They may need two hours for a topical anesthetic to seep into the lower area of skin? They may need pain medication?
To make electrolysis sound easy-peasy and painless is inaccurate. It can be tough somedays, but let me tell you, it is worth the sacrifice because - IT WORKS!
She is not simply a distributor. She is a certificated Dectro professional electrologist. She does official training Dectro classes in Spain. (I guess you know how it works). My friend is also an official certificated Dectro electrologist and during the training classes, her teacher learn her that XCell doesn’t hurt at all.
Moreover I had the pleasure to meet an other Dectro electrologist in Spain, which receive an official training course and Dectro certificate from the same official teacher specialist and distributor, and she also said during a course that electrolysis is not painful, it should be a nice (relaxing) treatment.
So 3 specialists electrologists from Dectro said the same thing : electrolysis is not painful, especially with the new XCell machine.
Yes, indeed! If possible, get a treatment from an xCell Pro or any Apilus epilator and decide for yourself. Challenge one, two or all three Dectro officials to perform a treatment on you and come to your own conclusions. Better to do than to talk.
Nobody here doubts about your honesty. But you and others recognize that XCell can be painful, while Dectro company and some Dectro electrologists claim it can not be painful… You may recognize it sounds strange, isn’t-it ?
About the second part of your message, I will answer you very soon, don’t worry.
Well, I do have a lot of clients say it isn’t painful and they lay there and take it for over an hour, but its not true for everybody. Some flinch, but it is area related flinching?? Many times, verything is going just peachy for about a hundred insertions and then they flinch on one and say ouch! Could be my insertion was off or or perhaps that hair follicle had a bigger bundle of nerve fibers?
Wow, I haven’t been on here for a full week and I come back to 17 new posts on this thread.
Advertising is just that and you always need to take any manufacturer claims with a pinch of salt. This is true of anything. Anyone who is well-informed and being realistic knows that no machine will be 100% pain free for 100% of people.
As a client, all I can say is that the treatments with Johanne and Joanie hurt much less and the hairs appear to be releasing much better than the previous 2 electrologists that I tried. However, I’m guessing that their skill level is just as important (if not more) than the machine used. Johanne and Joanie have only used the xCell Pro on me and I’ve never had the same practitioner use difference machines on me to compare the pain.
