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#21

I am so glad i’ve discovered this place. I am learning so much here which i otherwise wouldn’t because there isn’t too much information on electrolysis online. However, I wish there was a comprehensive post/article which could tell me how to judge an electrologist’s work on a number of areas: quality, speed, (other indicators). For example, I recently started getting my face done. I’ve had 5 hours of work done and 40% of my sideburns are cleared. I thought that was a pretty decent figure until i read some posts here which are making me think otherwise. Apparently with thermolysis, electrologists can do up to 20-30 hair per minute . I timed my electrologist and she averages 5 hairs a minute with thermolysis(she has an epilus unit). I am beginning to think that is very slow. My electrologist was recommended here and i really like her otherwise and find her very knowledgeable. She also listens to me and works with my skin. But at the rate she is going, i need 5 more hours of work to get full clearance of my sideburns. And because of the hair cycle, I am guessing another 10 hours (or am i just crazy). I get the sense that she takes this long because she spends a lot of time figuring out how to “scatter” the removal so it looks natural. Anyways, the point of my whole story is, I wish there were some baseline statistics posted in a comprehensive post that cover information such as the following:

  1. On average, how much hair can be removed in one minute using thermolysis. This is important since electrolysis is on an hourly basis.
  2. On average, how many sessions are needed to completely kill one hair follicle. For example if i get my bikini completely cleared of hair in one session (suppose all hair were out the skin surface), how many more such sessions would i need before the bikini would be free of hair.
#22

Also- several years ago, I had two electrolysis sessions. The electrologist worked like a machine, she cleared my ENTIRE bikini area in one hour(admittedly i am not that hairy but that’s still pretty darn fast). It was a little intense coz it hurt like hell, i could smell something burning (probably my hair and skin)and i got a lot of scabbing afterwards. I returned after 5 months coz i was too traumatized to return earlier. This time i could only tolerate a half hour session. I didn’t go back. i never lost any hair there. which makes me wonder if it was the machine? was it faulty? or did she need to hit that same follicle a couple of times (over multiple sessions) for the hair to permanently stop growing there.

#23

Danika -

Thanks, but you don’t need to apologise. If you ‘missed’ my clarifications, I’m not the one losing out.

To be honest, I am not in the mood to write this reply and I don’t want further discussion, but I can’t help it.

What I take exception to is when people ‘act like’ there is nothing that will solve their problem. There is, it just might not be around the corner. If you are happy with your methods, then I don’t understand the despondency.

You mention compassion towards other users in the same boat. I would like to think I have displayed that given I’ve been through the same and come out of the other end and have therefore gone on to help numerous people start their journeys to being hair free. Some of the people I’ve helped are completely finished whilst I’m still going (my own ‘fault’).

I am very well aware of the lack of good or even half-decent electrologists and that most (or any in most parts of the world) are nowhere near the level we have here. I didn’t wake up one day and stumble across Josefa and get on a plane. I was on HairTell for a couple of years before knowing of her existence. I saw numerous electrologists within a 2hr one-way radius before finding one who I was satisfied with. I only managed to complete my upper lip and eyebrows to satisfaction and could see no way forward for my face and neck beard. Even when I was convinced Josefa could help me and my sister, it took almost a year before we were able to see her due to personal issues. And since then, we are only able to go once a year (over 1000 miles away). It’s tiresome going over my electrolysis history yet again.

Finally, you joined in Jan last year. She was booked solid at that time but I know people who contacted Josefa early last year and managed to get some time this year. However, now the same is not possible for 2014, that is true. As I told them, providing you follow the ‘rules’ one clearance can make all the difference.

Given where you live, you could probably find someone on the same continent.

#24

Estee,

Statistics on what you are asking for, dont exist. Every electrolysist uses a different method, has a different comfort with the probe and skill level. Each, are different.

To put it in perspectiv, I used to have my electrolysis done at a school ( shudder, never ever again!) . I was probably worked on by 8-10 different people there. The fastest was a girl who used a treat and wait strategy. She would treat 5 hairs in succession, then tweeze that 5, then carry on with the next. It worked for her.I once timed her. She did 120 hairs in an hour.That’s 2 a minute!And she was the fastest one there! and probably FASTER than I do them on myself, but I have all the time in the world. Every electrolysist will be a different speed. It’s a function of the hair they are treating, and the modulation they ar using, and their skill. So statistics dont really exist.

Danika,
If you have your own machine why dont you use it?
You recently asked me about a course I was interested in. It was in toronto area. Buffalo, where James is, isnt all that much further from there. And I’m pretty sure he’s not “booked solid for a year” ( in fact since he once invited me to come down I know he isnt) and he definitely has the optics to treat velus hair.
Danika is an uncommon name. I do know of only one other person who uses it. Someone in montreal-ish area who I share something in common with. Just a side thought.

Seana

#25

Thank you Dee! You’ve always been very helpful and kind!
Stop it i rarely feel like typing yet another paragraph in a day! However again as I said at the top of my post I think alot is lost in translation. Im simply sharing my story I’m not despondent ! Anyways thank you for your suggestions.

Seana, I brought the machine but to be honest in many ways I’m a perfectionist and I like to have a very solid understanding of things from A-Z. My life has been very busy, including some unexpected occurrences this summer and I have not had a chance to even get near it! Problem is I’m not sure that I would be able to work on my face and that’s really where I most need to work! Yes maybe i should just sell the machine and take a trip to see James !

Anyways people, I’m not complaining ! I’m okay. Some posts have been upbeat too…after all by this time ive put up alot of posts! I am most surprised at how positive the results of been from LHR . I had low expectations but its deffinetly made a difference and I really didn’t spend much cash in that department either!

Ps. On a side note , I’m heavy into a research project on Fukushima right now , which kind of makes hair a non issue! Have you seen these ? Some incredibly powerful events that need world wide attention!

http://fukushimaupdate.com

#26

Danika. I think what most people are getting at is we can’t help you if you don’t open up. I was pretty sure (not 100%) that you were from Canada by reading your posts because you seem to fit the Canadian mentality. Also, I’ve never seen any pictures or anything to actually see what kind of hair growth you’re describing so it makes it very difficult to help you.

There’s nothing more I like reading on hairtell then success stories, I really hope one day you’re able to post about it!

#27

Lol!
What makes it look like i’m so desperate for help? Sure there are times when I’ve asked specific questions or asked for advice and I have recieved great responses , including many great discussions in private messages. Ive been kindly sent probes , books, etc and had amazing communications with some members of this forum off of this site completely. Im not in dire need!

When i have asked specific questions answers always came.
Ive come here mostly to read and to share my experiences !
What is it about that statement that seem so difficult for people to understand?

It is a public forum and sorry if it bothers anyone but i am not at all interested in public posting of my pubic hair thank you very much! I’m happy for those that post their penis hair pictures but I’m not one of them ! Lol. I am also not interested in exposing my private life details on a public forum on hair removal, beyond what i am comfortable sharing , so get over it! Please , why the proding? Did i ask for your help?

Like many others i share what i care to share and that is enough for me and should be enough for you, Im not inter share photos nor be a public figure here in any way so please let it go !

Okay I’m beginning to understand why a few wonderful, highly intelligent posters like Manteray eventually left this forum!

Ps ilike diy, I have enjoyed your posts and know you have good intentions… so this is not written just to you, but again just making myself very clear for future reference… Hopefully! Arg.