Did you use Lightsheer Duet for your treatment?

Well, I just got back from a consultation at the “second clinic” with the Lightsheer. I felt much more comfortable speaking with the practitioner she was very honest and we discussed the possible side effects. Unlike the first clinic that was just saying everything would be fine, so I’m definitely going to cross that first clinic off my list.

So, this is what I found at this clinic. First of all she is very experienced, she is a teacher at a laser institute here, so she teaches students how to use the lasers. She did give me her very honest opinion and asked me if I’ve considered the Yag. Just like LAGirl recommended. I told her I have but, because of the costs and how much more expensive it is vs. the lighsheer that I really want to consider the lightsheer. Basically she was saying that it’s going to take longer to achieve the results that I want. I had asked her if we could achieve the results within a year but, she was kind of hesitating and I think she said it could even be two years. I’m going to double check with her, if its’ really going to be 2 years then the costs might nearly come out to the same as a Yag. Because that clinic is charging $3,600 for unlimited full body, which is 12 treatments at once a month.

She did say that she works on her doctor (she’s the aesthetician) and her dr. is Indian ethnicity with same skin tone as mine.

As for side effects such as hypopigmentation and laser induced hair growth (I believe she calls it paradoxial hair growth or something). She said for the laser induced hair growth the percentage is low, about 5% out of 100 clients. She also said that the hair growth is very fine like peach fuzz. So, I think for me as a male I probably wouldn’t really mind it or notice it due to how much hair I’m already used to. She also said that it would grow back slower, so if I were to shave it etc. then if it grows back slow that would be fine with me.

About hypopigmentation she said that it’s only happened on skin type VI with her, and I think twice. So, now she does not use the lightsheer on skin type VI at all anymore. I’m a skin type IV-V in some areas where it’s more exposed to the sun I’m darker a V but, upper arms for example would be more of a IV.

Also we discussed hair density etc. and she said the same thing LAGirl mentioned for me the upper arms, shoulders and back where the hair is sparse. She said the same thing that’s usually where the areas that are sparse. She is willing to only treat the dense areas. We did a patch test on me right there, she did the neck because she said it’s a good place, there’s some coloration there, and she wanted to get that part to test. I think she did 3 different tests and wrote down the settings. Unfortunately I forgot to ask her what these settings were but, she gave me her e-mail so I can follow up if I should get those settings.

She told me a little bit about the settings she would use but, according to how the skin tone changes she changes the settings. I tried to get some numbers as a guideline she said 30ms and starting from about 4 joules, and then going up each time because she said the hair keeps getting finer and finer so the temp has to be increased each time, so she said it would go up to 4.5, 4.6, 4.7, etc. probably up to 5. She said she can go up to 8 joules but, that she would have to very careful and it depends on the skin area and that most likely she would stay under 7.

I would really like to work with her she seems to know what she’s doing and being a teacher she has the experience. She was also very honest. She did seem to recommend the Yag to achieve results quicker but, I really want to try the lightsheer because of the cost. However, I need to confirm if she feels it would take 2 years. Though, I don’t need significant reduction, even if the hair gets finer, that would be ok with me. Still, I’m not sure how “bare” I want to be, I think I would rather go slow and keep continuing towards the reduction rather than get too much hair reduced quickly and not like how it looks.

I was planning on calling the Smooth Solutions clinic with the Yag but, the online reviews kind of made me hesitate there are many negative reviews on Yelp and Google about them “just taking your money”. Perhaps that doc isn’t the one that runs it since he’s in San Antonio but, this made me nervous and the pricing is pretty expensive. However, I realize you hardly ever here from anybody that has a positive experience, nobody wants to take time out of their day to leave a positive review so you only hear from everybody when it’s negative. So, I’m planning on still speaking to them to see what they say. Or continue to see if I can find a Yag clinic that has some sort of package deal.

Based on that info, if I want to try the Lightsheer do you think that clinic is a good option?

Thanks

I have a consultation with Smooth solutions tomorrow, also i take that back about the negative reviews regarding them, there are a few but, i’m also finding a lot of positive reviews on different review sites.

Well I went to Smooth solutions today, and I pretty much liked what I heard and they made me a really good deal for full body. Only issues I have is that it’s a package deal and treatment will be only every 8 weeks, so it will take about 1.5 years for 6 treatments. I will have to pay it off within 8 payments every month. There’s no patch test, so that also made me hesitant. Also, I couldn’t really make a good connection with the person I was speaking to since she’s not the practitioner, she’s the business adviser and didn’t really even know what skin type I was, she said the ladies that do the treatment know all that info. The other issue is that she did take a look at me with my shirt off and she said I would need more than 6 treatments just because of how much hair I have. Then later on when we were discussing payment etc. I asked her how much will I be paying after the 6 treatments and it’s going to be pretty much retail price. They advertise it as 1/3 off the retail price but, those prices are marked up way high and basically it comes down to the usual rates they have listed on their website. So at that point she told me that I will probably not need more than 6 treatments, she was just telling me that so I’m not dissapointed. However, I know from my research that 6 is the magic number they like to quote and rarely will your treatments be done within that number. So, then the pricing will go way up.

Again the deal was very good for the 6 treatments and is difficult to resist. I have another appointment with the National Institute of laser tomorrow, I can pay by treatment there. They are able to offer treatment in a “class” they have teachers there that guide students, doctors etc. that are training and so you get a significant discount, the rate is basically the same as what smooth solutions quoted but about a $1k less. The big advantage is that I can pay as I go, and I can probably get more treatments in than once every 8 weeks. The only other drawback is that since it’s in a class, there will be 5 or 6 students there watching, however, they don’t do like bikini etc. in that class they have another facility there, where you get it done in private with the actual doctors.

I really almost pulled the trigger today but, the having to pay in advance for the package deal plus treatment every 8 weeks, plus no patch test, plus not being able to speak to the actual practitioner or a person that has experience knowledge as a practitioner made me hestiate.

Do you know what the Yag 1054 is? When I called the institute today to confirm if they have the Yag they said they have the Yag 1054 laser but, that was the receptionist I spoke to when I asked her if it’s the same as the ND:Yag, she asked me to hold and asked her manager and then she came back and said it was the same but, I just wanted to confirm.

Also at smooth solutions from the adviser I was feeling some sales pressure, I mean I know they are running a business and that’s their job but, still like she asked me if I was making a payment today and had initially said no but, then I felt pressures since she said she doesn’t normally do discounts like this and basically it’s only valid right now. I may have bought myself a day incase I end up just going through them.

The second clinic that I mentioned yesterday with the lightsheer, they are really nice there, there’s no sales pressure at all. I e-mailed her today and thanked her for her time and consultation and told her that I was going to be considering the yag and going to some more consultations, since I felt so comfortable with them that I will go back there for my other skin needs like acne etc. so I wanted to be upfront with them so that it’s not awkward when I return later. I got an e-mail reply later from the doctor herself who said that she’s glad that I’m speaking to more physicians and if I have any more questions or concerns to let them know. Of course the only issue is the lightsheer, and I feel that I really do need to go with the Yag.

  • If you’re considering Smooth Solutions, please call the San Antonio clinic and ask to speak with the owner. Don’t just go there blindly. I recommended this place because of him and he should know you found this forum and are looking to get treatments there. He probably knows all the employees and can make sure you get a good treatment with a good tech that knows their stuff.

  • Don’t pay for anything or start anything until you talk to the person who will be treating you. I would ask to meet specifically with that person. Should be easier after you talk to the owner and figure out who that may be.

  • Lightsheer is hnot easy to use since pressure needs to be used during treatments etc. You definitely need a test patch with it. You also may be too dark for it.

  • I will repeat again that you should NOT get any full body treatments or packages. Start with one small area and you can always add things later if everything goes well. Making a huge investment without making sure this is the case is not a smart idea. Plus, a lot of your body doesn’t have the right hair type and it may nto make sense to pay for full body,

The only thing you can tell from a test patch is what setting you can handle safely and if the hair sheds. I wouldn’t treat any areas with iffy hair regardless because of the risk of induced growth though. I would only recommend treatment of coarse dense growth.

Ok, I’ll try to call the San Antonio office and speak to the owner and see what happens.

I was thinking to start with like just the neck area and see what happens but, because it takes so many treatments, it maybe be a year until it’s completed so because it would take so much time that’s why I’m wanting to start full body at once.

I understand you’re saying not get full body but, the thing is that if I only get parts of it done then I will look even stupider because some areas will be smooth/fine and other areas look all hairy. The technician at the lightsheer duet said that she would only work on the dense areas though. I asked her if she has done full body on males with my skin type with good results and she said she has. Of course who knows if it’s true or not.

Wow this is so stressful.

wow I can’t believe it, I swear this was getting more frustrating than getting lasik lol thanks to your advise about searching for different keywords like, “dallas gentle yag” etc. I found a diamond in the rough. I had made a list of all the clinics and contacted just about all of them. All of them were in upscale neighborhoods, fancy offices, usually several staff members, receptionist etc. then I found this one lady through her website by using those keywords. She’s basically a one-person operation, there’s no receptionist etc. she does everything herself, her office is small and in a middle class neighborhood, nothing fancy etc. and I can’t seriously believe this but, to do a full body she’s going to be charging me LESS than what it would cost for me to have gone and get it done with the lightsheer duet at the second clinic. It’s also pay as you go, I don’t have to buy any packages. I will pay a fee each time I go for the treatment. Plus after 6 treatments, I will get it for 50% off! It really seems to good to be true but, I can see how she can do it because her overhead is not much like the other clinics in the fancy neighborhoods paying so much rent, all the staff, etc. it’s just her, she sets her own rates however she wants etc.

I spoke to her and was comfortable with her, has 10 years experience. She has the gentle yag and alexanderite but, she knows obviously the gentle yag is for me. We did two patch tests today, one was on low settings and one was on high settings. the one on the low setting i barely felt anything, and i told her. I was really saying to myself, “this is nothing”. Then she did the other test and she turned up the settings and lol i did feel it pretty good, it was probably about as much as i can tolerate.

she was protective over her settings though, i asked her for it so that i could post here but, she told me that she doesn’t tell her settings. i guess she’s protective over it since she might think i might go somewhere else and tell another doc to use her settings or something, i guess. that’s how it came across, so i just left it. I’m not going to be paying upfront for a package or anything and if i don’t see results then I can just stop going but, it’s definitely worth trying to see what she can do. she has 10 yrs experience and she’s middle eastern so she’s very familiar with my skin type and has worked on a lot of people with my skin type.

only thing is that she wont’ do bikini/brazillian but, that’s fine. i found another clinic that i had been speaking to, they had gave me a real good deal also and it was the lowest i had found and i didn’t think i could find anybody else lower than them, so i spoke to them today and they will be doing the brazillian.

i know you didn’t recommend doing full body but, i just feel like i’m going to look worst with hair some places and not others and i really want it all gone or thinned out at the very least. i know i’m taking a chance. every clinic i spoke to didn’t seem to have an issue with doing full body on me, many of them checked me out and some had me take off my shirt etc. and didn’t seem to be a problem. however, i know they are in it for the money and your advise was to be cautious. i hope everything will be fine. so far there’s nothing odd from the patch test. i’m going to get back and chest/stomach done next week so we’ll see what happens when we do a bigger area.

thanks for all your advise, i wouldn’t have found this place without it.

  • You should be able to ask and know settings that are being used on you. It’s like going to the doctor and not being able to get info on what they’re doing to you. I don’t think you should give up on that part. There is nothing to be protective about. Every single person is different anyway when it comes to that. You an also look on the machine and see what the numbers say. Joules would be listed. But you’d need to ask for spot size since she can change that easily and it’s not typically listed on the screen. Ask for spot size, joules and pulse width. You have the right to know. If the treatment is effective, you should be feeling quite a bit of pain on coarse growth.

  • Once again, I am warning you against doing a full body treatment. You should ONLY treating areas with COARSE DENSE growth. If you do not do this, you will likely be coming back here complaining of induced growth on some areas that didn’t have this type of hair, i.e. more hair than what you started with. Warning you now! Treating finer hair is not going to thin it out. It’s going to make it more dense. Most people who have a combination of hair like this treat coarse hair with laser and then remove all remaining hairs with electrolysis after you’ve reached a plateau with laser. If you choose not to do this, just be prepared for having to treat a lot more hair with electrolysis.

Well the only place that it looks like I have fine hair is on the sides of my rib cage. Everywhere else the hair looks thick. So, I will tell her not to do the fine hairs on the sides of my chest, stomach, abs. Also, I think lower back might have some of this also. Can they tell from the follicle if it’s coarse or fine hair even after it’s shaved?

No, they can’t tell. I would draw borders with a white pencil.

well where it was fine on my sides i didn’t shave that anyway so when i went in there i showed her and we agreed we weren’t going to laser that so when she drew her grid she didn’t include that area.

now i have a question on the GentleYag machine on the screen there is a big number kind of in the center and then there were two numbers on the right of the screen i believe. is that big number the joules? i saw it when i was turning the other way when she was working on my other arm and i saw a 12 there then i think on the right at the top of the screen i saw a 30. next time, i’m going to try to ask for the settings now that i’ve started with her she knows i’m not going somewhere else, so shouldn’t be any reason. the spot size looked like about the size of a half-dollar she used the same on my back, neck, arms, hands and underarms. on my ears she used a smaller size.

now the thing is that it was pretty painful for me, most of the time i was closing my eyes and squinting kind of hard and just waiting for it to be over. it felt like a strong sting and slight burning and then the rubber band snap. many times when i consulted with a technician they just make it sound like it’s nothing, “it just feels like a rubberband” but, it didn’t JUST feel like that, the stinging and burning sensation was there. however, i didn’t get actually burned. there’s some slight redness in some areas and the skin looks a little bumpy with some raised hair follicles which i believe is normal.

now when i saw her notes that she was writing in all her settings it seemed like i saw different joule settings for different areas, i think i saw an 18 as well. the thing is that even if it was 12 on my arm i was still barely tolerating it. i don’t know if that was the joules or not. for sure the patch tests she did the first one on my left arm, that was definitely tolerable and i had told her, “it was nothing” however the second patch test on the other arm hurt, and these must be the settings she was using today since it felt just like that.

the thing is that when we did my back, neck and arms we didn’t use any topical. however when we were on my arms i asked her for it, and so she said we’ll use it on my chest and stomach and front of the neck. though i’m not sure if we gave it enough time because it didn’t seem to make too much of a difference. she gave me some to take home and said to apply it before the next treatment for legs.

which settings for my skin type V do you think she should be using on me with the GentleYag?

Effective laser treatments hurt. They actually hurt quite a bit especially on areas with dense coarse growth, i.e. a lot of follicles per square inch. If you are having a hard time handling it, you should consider using a numbing cream. The goal is to use the highest settings your SKIN can handle, regardless of your pain tolerance.

I’m not a laser operator and it’s been a long time since I’ve seen the machine in person, so I don’t recall which numbers appear where on the screen. Honestly, I would simply call her and tell her that you feel you have the right to know what is being done to your body and ask for joules, spot size, and pulse width she used. It’s no different than going to a doctor and asking for this information for any treatment. You don’t have to understand it, but you have the right to know. There is really no excuse.

I can guess that it may be 12J and 30ms, but without knowing the spot size, these numbers are meaningless. Just to give you an idea of max on GentleYAG:

on 18mm, 30J, 3ms
on 15mm, 40J, 3ms

You always want to be as close to the max as possible on whatever spot size is being used, as long as your skin can handle it without burning.

well so far i’m noticing the patchiness mostly on my arms but, it’s barely been over a week. it’s growing out really slow i haven’t even trimmed it again because it’s not grown out enough. also it’s coming out thinner already like in some areas i can’t even see it but, if i touch the area i can feel it. also the way i used to have hair every follicle was in a group of 3 like you will see three hair follicles grouped together in each spot, now in many spots there’s just one hair coming out instead of the three.

i’m not sure how much i’m noticing on my chest but like i said just been over a week hopefully next week i’ll be able to tell but, the other day i looked at my shirt and it was covered in small pieces of hair so i thought i was shedding but, enough had grown out where i trimmed it yesterday. i know it’s supposed to look like it’s growing when it’s actually supposed to shed, so we’ll see what happens next week.

i think on my legs it also seems to be growing out real slow like i ran the trimmer over it yesterday but, i couldn’t really tell much difference from before/after trim like i used to be able to.

i hope everything is going well. i’m trying to do some research on EMLA and i’ve read some of your posts say that there hasn’t been an issue with using it on a large area as long as it’s compounded correctly. so would any major brand if you get it from any major retailer, amazon etc. it would be assumed it’s compounded correctly? how would you know? since i would like to be able to put it on my chest and arms the next time i go, and then the other time on my legs, thighs etc. but, i’m wondering if i’m doing too much at once. i’m going to saran wrap it since the last time putting the EMLA on didn’t seem to do anything without the wrap, and i didn’t know why it didn’t seemed to not have any effect but, after researching found that it’s because of the air so has to be covered.

Let us know how everything looks at 3 weeks.

EMLA is a prescription medication. So it’s not something you can just buy on Amazon.com. I would ask the doctor for something relatively mild since you’re using it on large areas. I would also try to limit using it to areas with very dense growth.

well i thought i’d go ahead and take a couple pics of my arm, this is without any trimming or shaving after initial treatment and it’s going to be 2 weeks on Tuesday.

pics:

left arm:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/38834766/2012-12-23%2022.26.29.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/38834766/2012-12-23%2022.26.12.jpg

right arm:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/38834766/2012-12-23%2022.35.50.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/38834766/2012-12-23%2022.35.35.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/38834766/2012-12-23%2022.35.30.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/38834766/2012-12-23%2022.35.23.jpg

can you tell anything about the progress so far based on that? or should wait until the 3 weeks, what would i be looking for like a lot more shredding, my chest should like that? since from what i can tell my chest does not have as many spots with no hair like i do on my arms. on my arms i did not trim yet but, probably will tonight since some of it’s coming out longer and since there’s no hair or not much hair in other areas it will look odd.

Cannot tell anything at this point yet except that if it’s not growing as usual, it was affected in some way. You really need to wait full 3 weeks before judging results of your first treatment.

so there’s no OTC emla cream that i can get that would do the job? i’ve seen several on amazon with good reviews like LMX 5% Topical Cream, would you not recommend this? I don’t think my technician is an MD so wouldn’t be able to prescribe anything.

EMLA is a brand and prescription medication. You can probably get a weaker cream over the counter. I would ask your clinic for recommendations.