I agree, she should open a school :))
It’s too late to found a school, but an occasional seminar could be done. Michael and I have talked a few times about this. A seminar held in the city of Santa Barbara for Anglo and Spanish speakers. WOW!
The images at the beginning of this thread are the front of this customer, but about the same time, other areas such as: Neck (in back), shoulders, upper arms, and the whole back was being treated. The results are identical. I’m glad I helped make life a little easier for him and other guys. And all in record time.
Before (November 2011)
After a year from third clearing (May 2013)
[img:center]https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-XbOsIFx8zrQ/UdlvoBEm_vI/AAAAAAAAD-U/KcwKNNfY1_Q/w769-h577-no/SAM_0211.JPG[/img]Wonderful Jossie. THIS is how it’s done.
With treatments like this, well, you can “take this to the bank.” And, I mean this literally! After one full clearing (or clearance), you can virtually compute the entire cost of your SUCCESSFUL treatment.
You don’t have to worry about “telogen hairs,” resting hairs, hormone imbalances (body work), hairs in groups of three, damage to the skin (scabs), former “failed treatments” (i.e., waxing, shaving or even laser), the “full moon,” or even the signs of the Zodiac (although Pisces are said to be more difficult cases?).
This is the “power-through” approach with near 99% permanent results after three clearances. Just “get 'er done!” Yes, some electrologists don’t believe these results. And, why do you suppose that is? Well, they can’t do it! They think, “If I can’t do it, then it must not be true.” (I did a lecture for the AEA some years ago in Florida, and one lady walked up to me and told me I was a “damned liar!” My lecture was ONLY trying to help the “buffalos.”)
After almost 40 years of electrologists telling me “this can’t be done,” I am endless thrilled to see my beloved Jossie proving them wrong over-and-over! For me this is pure vindication of something I’ve been talking about for decades. (The patients, however, simply think this is the normal way to get results. They have no idea.)
Rumpen i Vaerre!
As usual, simply amazing.
I’m wondering, why can’t more people do this? Is it simply the time and dedication to perfect the craft, or is there something more to it like the financial aspect or lack of mentors…etc?
It’s a bit of many things Jad, chasing the wrong target (papilla), facing the wrong strategy (only anagen), misinterpret the true and false regrowth, fear of the temporary side effects, incorrect insertions, dose insufficient current, let go for a pre-settings in the machine which do not work, and so much more. Michael is not the only one who has been considered a liar, the difference is that this was said behind my back. “Science fiction” is how my study was described in the late 90s.
That study was sponsored by a Spanish machine manufacturer, this should have served to change things, arouse interest among students of aesthetics, consider a change in education, investing in research to improve the machines, promote this foolproof technique between the consumers,. None of that, instead, everyone focused on Photodepilation, much more profitable for the practitioner and the manufacturer, but much more disappointing for millions of consumers, and anyone telling me this time the cause is a low parameters , or wrong type of laser. This guy was treated at a prestigious medical center, with the right laser. After 5 years of treatments with laser this guy has a “beautiful” scar and an apparent paradoxical effect.
And now you understand why Michael Bono warned of the danger of advice parameters by unqualified personnel. If this was done by an expert under medical supervision, imagine what can happen when it comes to a simple user.
Laser burn
2 years after
Like you say, it is a shame and very dissapointing… :mad:
Now I dont think someone can question the real outcome that is possible with electrolysis. But there are people that no matter what they see, they will promote theyr own truth. They lie to others and allso themselves :sick:
And I agree, if not the school, allso courses are a fabulous idea! 
Even if Josefa allready done a lot for electrology and the patients.
Do not worry my dear Miro, some people would not be able to see a Boeing 747 landing on their nose. 
By the way, what are you doing in Austria?
Yikes!!
Well, whatever it is, this definitely needs to get out there. I can only hope as more demand gathers, more people invest the time to learn the craft!
Please post if youdo have a seminar! I would really try to attend!
Thank you Josefa for posting those photos. It is similar to my back and it give me a lot hope as I start the process to remove the hair after all these years of waiting. Thanks again.
Hank
This pictures of this patient scar caused by laser makes me want to tell that this is how the laser can destroy the skin if not used properly. This guy didn t get any good result from the laser and he has been burned by the laser. What an awful story. I agree with you Josefa, even if the laser was used by professional practitionner it can be very dangerous! I have had 15 sessions of laser hair removal, i didn t get any good result from it and i went to a well known medical center with good reputation! I have been lucky because i don t have any skin damage due to LHR.
Thanks for sharing your story, cher jessemetjess,. With your permission, I want to add something more.
The first time I saw the area that had been treated with laser 15 times I thought “These are the hairs that the laser could not see”, however there was one thing that did not fit, hair density do not seem to have diminished, so I thought “laser has reduced the size of the hairs and thus coarse hairs have become thin hairs.” Any explanation seemed to be more reasonable than the sad truth. That is why I asked “how things were before the laser?”. The answer was “no difference to what you see now.” And here are the pictures to prove it. The question is "what kind of “professional” consents to do 15 treatments in this patient with the economic cost, use of time and emotional drain that entails?
Before laser:
After 15 laser sessions:
Immediately after electrolysis:
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The first time I saw the area that had been treated with laser 15 times I thought “These are the hairs that the laser could not see”, however there was one thing that did not fit, hair density do not seem to have diminished, so I thought “laser has reduced the size of the hairs and thus coarse hairs have become thin hairs.”
Perhaps it’s all the tequila shots and margaritas I had today, but this isn’t making sense to me. If laser can’t see the hair, the hair density wouldn’t diminish since it can’t kill hair it can’t see (I guess technically the laser can “see” the hair, but there’s not enough overall pigmentation in the hair for physics to allow laser to kill it.) Could you please clarify this for me, Josefa?
Based off the “before laser” pictures, he shouldn’t have had laser to begin with. The hair is not thick and coarse (with the exception of maybe a few spots but it’s hard to tell), and therefore laser wouldn’t be expected to work on this. The issue here shouldn’t be with laser – the issue is the technician and the poor judgement used
And perhaps I perceive a note of irony in your comment? I was trying to describe the sequence of my thoughts (without success I can see). I will try it again.
Sequence of my thoughts:
- These hairs are too thin = poor candidates for laser.
- After 15 sessions of laser maybe thicker hairs were destroyed?.
- But then I should see empty spaces, ie lower density in laser treated areas = I see nothing.
- Follicles may have been miniaturized and hence the hairs are thinner than before 15 laser sessions?.
- So my question: “Jessemetjess, how were things before laser …?”
- His answer: "As you can see now, I will send you a picture “before laser” when I return to France ".
- Conclusion: "Holy crap!
I could understand and even justify the first 6 sessions, but no more, if not for the desire to continue emptying the pocket of this guy.
Jessemetjess sent me the photo “laser before” a few days after leaving Malaga and go home, so I could not know how things were before 15 laser sessions at a prestigious medical center.
All I saw was that the hairs were too thin for their roots may have enough contrast so that the beam could impact successfully. Since I am a complete IGNORANT in matters of lasers, and despite this I came to this conclusion, I assumed that an expert physician would know this fact, so it seemed unlikely that even so, this kid was accepted as a candidate for treatment.
And now, Brenton, I hope I have been clearer, or, your mind is more lucid after the devastating effects of tequila and margaritas?
“I still do not know what you’re going to ask, but I object.” (Groucho Marx)
Josefa, I apologize if I came across sarcastic – we had a big festival (http://www.sdpride.org/) here yesterday which does include a lot of drinking, dancing, clubbing, and little sleep… it’s a lot of fun (we actually have another day of it today, but I need to rest.)
I was going to write more, but in case you think I’m going to offend you, I decided against it. So I will just say thank you for clarifying.
No problem, Brenton. Have fun all you can, but do not drink too much tequila. Boy1989 must be smiling if he has read your comment. I have understand his last flight to Spain was very pleasant. Fortunately he was not flying the plane.
Story time … bodywork
In the first photo you see post treatment crusting. As I mentioned earlier, we did no “aftercare,” but the crusts will have no impact on the result. (The first clearing we did lots of post-treatment care, and the patient got ZERO crusts.)
In the second photo your see that the crusts, after 2 weeks, are gone and now replaced with dots of PIH (hyperpigmentation). The client was on a 2-week backpacking adventure. He also got sun exposure (took infrequent showers) and you can observe more PIH on his neck.
All of this will resolve 100%. Also notice that the back was completely cleared, but the new anagen hairs (resting) are coming in like “gang-busters.” Notice that the returning hairs are fine with tapered ends (this is unlike “instant regrowth” that has a blunt end and is growing from a previously-cleared obvious spot).
The client will be returning in late September for “number three” and I will, of course, post the photos of his progress. It’s important for potential electrolysis patients to also see the “unwelcome” aspects of electrolysis, not just the clean “before and after” photos, and I enjoy showing the reality of this treatment.
Hi Josefa,
thank you for asking
Im now working here in Austria, CAD engineer, but now in a Aerospace industry.
This is a “year later” too …
I’m following Josie’s lead and posting actual patients to illustrate electrolysis’ successes. The patient pictured below illustrates a couple points I’d like to make for clients and professionals.
The first photo shows the patient before treatment by me. Sadly, this young man had already spent $9,000 on electrolysis treatment on his shoulders. Only about 40% reduction was all I determined (and a good deal of “pebbling”). The error was “fear of overtreatment.” Both electrologists he saw (for nearly 2 years) made a big deal about “saving the skin” and “never making a crust.” Well, they didn’t. But they also didn’t remove many hairs either.
I’m not saying you have to create gigantic scabs on the patient. But if you are terrified of skin injury of any kind, you are missing the point. The focus should be on killing the hair outright; not multiple treatments that end up creating a mound of scar tissue (“pebbling”). As I say all the time scabs on the body are inconsequential. If you focus on scabs, and are fearful of normal skin reactions, you will fail. (I’m not a big fan of “measuring” scabs. Electrologists should know this by now.)
The second photo shows the patient four months after his last “follow-up” treatment. He’s finished. He had three “clearances” and one “follow-up” and the total cost was $7,500. (Consider that he spent $9,000 on his shoulders alone, and it failed miserably).
Interesting is that right now … in this second photo … he is showing the maximum hair. In another 3 or 4 months there will be fewer scattered hairs showing because a percentage of them will be in resting stage (not visible). At this point, he will have a few more “follow-up” treatments (in his home State) if he wants all the “stragglers” removed. I’m “okay” with these results. The total elapsed time was about 11 months (3 clearings and one follow-up).
Note: if you look at both photos you can see that the client is in better “shape.” (Weigh loss?)
Having hair removed is a health benefit; because you tend to become more active, work out, exercise and are more social. It’s WAY more than “just the hair!”